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Re: Brindle 25 Jul 2011 13:25 #21

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.....oooooohhhhh :cheer: !!!!!!! How interesting !!!!!!! I better learn "my partis" LOL LOL :lol:

So - brindle is just a sable with stripy pattern - hmmmm :huh:

Anyways - sable pattern is pretty PRETTY and brindle pattern is NOT IMO lol :P
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Re: Brindle 25 Jul 2011 14:09 #22

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See I knew it was complicated! And somehow they were connected. Still dislike the pattern in cbrands picture.
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Re: Brindle 25 Jul 2011 16:07 #23

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I like the brindle! Though I do think it looks even nicer in a parti pattern. But then, I'm a parti fan! I'd be curious, though, to find out if brindle has the history in the breed that the parti coloring does. Phantom is the poodle color that looks "odd" to me, but I've seen attractive phantoms, too.

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Re: Brindle 25 Jul 2011 17:10 #24

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About a month ago, CPR picked up about 15 klein/moyen poodles from a terrible puppy mill breeder in NH. Two of these guys were brindle, and I ended up taking one home. He's put together all wrong and is basically a wreck of poodle, but he's super sweet and adores his new "sister," the brown parti in the photo below. Some people refer to his coloring as "reverse brindle" because he's mostly black with only a bit of the brown (or after reading this thread, sable?). His brindle brother was really stunning (CPR has a photo of him dated June 30 on their facebook page, before he was adopted, but I don't think the photo does justice).

Here's hoping these photos go through....

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Re: Brindle 25 Jul 2011 18:18 #25

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Will need to back up for a bit. Am NO means an expert of Sables...Kelsey keeps explaining and I get less "glassy eyed" each time..lol

Sable is a pattern with "solid" colored body and darker guard hairs, ears. Body color can be cream, apricot, red . Guard hairs are generally the color the puppy was born. So a brown sable would be born brown, then the body color would fade and the guard hairs would be darker brown.

With Rhiannon, she is out of Silver parents. She "silvered" ( faded) to the very light cream, but has dark gray ears & black guard hairs.

Brindle is dominant, so you only need one parent to have it. Plus Brindle will be "hidden" by Dominant Black. That is why CBrands friend went for generations of blacks before a brindle popped up.
Many of the brindle's that are silver and black will all blend in after a while..becoming an all over gray.

Some brindles are nice looking..but you need a well built dog under the color :-)

back to the OP..I do think many puppy producers have gotten on the bandwagon because Brindles were hot sellers.


And I haven't even touched on the theory that many silvers are really "silver sables" :-)
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Re: Brindle 25 Jul 2011 23:12 #26

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Re: Brindle 25 Jul 2011 23:24 #27

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That is one striking pup there Poodlicious! Does make the parti and brindle grow on me!
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Re: Brindle 25 Jul 2011 23:52 #28

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Isn't he just amazing B) !!!!!! Any time I look at photos of pups I "could have bought" and did not, I want to jump out if my skin :pinch: :( :pinch: *sigh
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Re: Brindle 27 Jul 2011 17:41 #29

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The color that gets me is merle. It is absolutely introduced (you have to have a merle parent to get merle offspring) and it's UGLY! I don't care for the solid brindle Poodles (you know what I mean, not parti). Some of the partis pictured though are really pretty. The sables are just stunning!

I don't think long haired, brindle dogs are automatically bad looking. I've seen many Afgan Hounds that are brindle and beautiful. My own Roxy, is brindle. You can't really see the pattern unless she's clipped short but she's still striking w/ longer hair. I love that she's not the same old bland gold/white, red/white or black/white that most Shih Tzus are.

Gloria, I've wondered the same thing about silvers being sable. Technically the standard says poodles have to be one solid color at the skin. According to that, wouldn't sables be acceptable?
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Re: Brindle 27 Jul 2011 18:54 #30

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Rhiannon has dark silver ear ends (that sounds weird..lol) so she would be 2 colors at the skin. Her body is sort of cream, but more like a Champagne? Tail is like a platinum silver. If her body was silver, she would be accepted.
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Re: Brindle 27 Jul 2011 19:02 #31

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Here is a beautiful sable brindle dog called Mercy on Flickr. This brindle markings seem to be more subtle which I especially like. Higher Standards took these photos.

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Re: Brindle 27 Jul 2011 19:02 #32

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Tintlet wrote:
Rhiannon has dark silver ear ends (that sounds weird..lol) so she would be 2 colors at the skin. Her body is sort of cream, but more like a Champagne? Tail is like a platinum silver. If her body was silver, she would be accepted.

She's beautiful, what's her pedigree again ?
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Re: Brindle 27 Jul 2011 19:20 #33

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Re: Brindle 28 Jul 2011 03:33 #34

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Love Rhianon she is gorgeous!!! is Sable a consistant color or is it something that you will not know what you are getting (if that makes any sense) If you are a sable breeder will all your dogs have the same look like a white or black breeder? Ok do all sable dogs look like Rhianon? if that helps clear up my jumbled question.
Dolce - Black Miniature Poodle - DOB: 10-11-10
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Hermes - Silver Beige Miniature Poodle - DOB: 11-29-11
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Re: Brindle 28 Jul 2011 03:51 #35

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Ok, never mind all my jumble just saw rest of thread!
Dolce - Black Miniature Poodle - DOB: 10-11-10
Louis - Silver Miniature Poodle - DOB: 10-22-10
Hermes - Silver Beige Miniature Poodle - DOB: 11-29-11
Juicy - White Standard Poodle - DOB: 03-13-12
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Re: Brindle 28 Jul 2011 05:43 #36

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Tintlet wrote:
We have a local Sable that also comes down from Kaiser.
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Re: Brindle 30 Jul 2011 16:14 #37

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cbrand wrote:
I've seen Brindles pop up out of a show bred Black Mini. In 5 generations, she has an almost entirely Black pedigree. Now she was bred to a Silver line, but this same breeder has not had Brindles in her Silver to Silver breedings. I think we are seeing more Brindles because high volume and backyard breeders are purposely breeding Phantoms and Sables. Brindle seems to go hand in hand with these colors. Personally I can't stand Brindle in Poodles. I think the colors are muddy and mottled and it totally detracts from the elegance of the dog.

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Carol, Deb and I agree completely with you on this. We have talked about the various colors and neither of us like the brindle color, it is our least liked color and for the same reasons. It does NOTHING for the poodle and detracts from the elegance of the breed. I LOVE brindle on greyhounds and pit bulls but very much do NOT like it on a poodle!
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Re: Brindle 04 Aug 2011 13:28 #38

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Mi_ku wrote:
The color that gets me is merle. It is absolutely introduced (you have to have a merle parent to get merle offspring) and it's UGLY!quote]

I totally agree, I just hate the merle poodles out there, especially with the blue eyes, it just looks awful. And I really hate how the breeders are saying these are purebred dogs when it's obvious that another breed had to be introduced to get the merle. However, I read somewhere that you only need to outcross once to get the merle gene, so the poodles aren't half and half, is that true?

Does anyone have any idea about what breeds are used to create these merle poodles? I am thinking mini Aussies or shelties?

Also, I have seen a number of white poodles with light blue eyes (looks awful, really creepy) and I wonder if these poodles are coming from merle crossed poodles?
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Re: Brindle 04 Aug 2011 13:43 #39

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poodlemagic wrote:
cbrand wrote:
I've seen Brindles pop up out of a show bred Black Mini. In 5 generations, she has an almost entirely Black pedigree. Now she was bred to a Silver line, but this same breeder has not had Brindles in her Silver to Silver breedings. I think we are seeing more Brindles because high volume and backyard breeders are purposely breeding Phantoms and Sables. Brindle seems to go hand in hand with these colors. Personally I can't stand Brindle in Poodles. I think the colors are muddy and mottled and it totally detracts from the elegance of the dog.

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Carol, Deb and I agree completely with you on this. We have talked about the various colors and neither of us like the brindle color, it is our least liked color and for the same reasons. It does NOTHING for the poodle and detracts from the elegance of the breed. I LOVE brindle on greyhounds and pit bulls but very much do NOT like it on a poodle!

I agree brindle looks nice only on short hair breeds or breeds with nice silky straight hair such as an afghan hound.
The curly hair on a poodle makes the dog look dirty. It also makes the poodles look like they lack breed type. The parti brindles look better but solid brindles are a no go for me.
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Re: Brindle 04 Aug 2011 13:44 #40

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PaddleAddict wrote:

Does anyone have any idea about what breeds are used to create these merle poodles? I am thinking mini Aussies or shelties?

Also, I have seen a number of white poodles with light blue eyes (looks awful, really creepy) and I wonder if these poodles are coming from merle crossed poodles?

I think they are crossed with mini aussies.

Are the white poodles you see with light blue eyes albinos ?
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